No, I'm not sorry.
These people have been crying about free speech ever since they arrived on my campus and I am beyond disgusted. Acting like this debate needs to be reopened is like saying criminalizing abortion is a valid opinion to consider. It fucking isn't. Get OVER it already, oh my GOD.
I don't CARE that you feel like fetuses=children, that you all worship the fetus over all others, ESPECIALLY women, I don't CARE. Criminalizing abortion leads to dead women. Did you not hear that? CRIMINALIZING ABORTION LEADS TO DEAD WOMEN. CRIMINALIZING ABORTION LEADS TO DEAD WOMEN. If you think your pathetic, immoral pleas are going to stop women from getting abortions any way they can, you are beyond naive. You are literally the stupidest.
I am done acting like these people have any validity or right to their opinion that abortion is a criminal act. It isn't. If you don't like that, go cry me a fucking river, but there isn't anything you can do about it.
And furthermore, get the FUCK off my campus with your misogynistic guilt-shaming bullshit. In case you couldn't tell, the posters getting ripped down were a clear sign that your BS is not welcome here.
Leave.
And take your sexism with you.
-Swegan
choosing to let a baby live rather than trying to abort it (in any way) does NOT lead to dead women, however, and that's the preferred MO. the point is not "worship the fetus" but the life -- both lives -- of the mother and child.
ReplyDeleteWomen will ALWAYS get abortions. ALWAYS. If you criminalize abortion, you will be forcing women to get illegal, unsafe abortions. Ergo, the pro-life movement kills women while not bringing abortion numbers down at all.
DeleteIf pro-lifers were really about lowering abortion rates, they would be working with feminists to help get women out of abuse situations, opening subsidized daycares for single moms, and pushing for better sex ed and better contraceptive access. Instead, they come to my campus and shame women who have had to make that choice.
Choosing to have a child doesn't lead to a dead woman (in most cases), but abortion is still a HUMAN RIGHT and I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACCESS IT. I have the right to decide who gets to use my body at any time, whether that is someone in the hospital needing a kidney or a fetus needing my body to live. I have the right to say no to both. The end.
Furthermore, you have the right NOT to have an abortion. Your body, your choice, but let me make mine.
DeleteMy body, My choice. Nobody else's.
You cannot worship the life of women while taking away their bodily autonomy. That means I have a right to my body more than anybody else. I get it. Me. MINE. Fetuses are in a position of dependence by chance. They have a right to their bodies, not mine. Never mine. If I get pregnant and keep it, that fetus is there BY PERMISSION. ALWAYS.
DeleteLastly, you don't have to read what I write. You are allowed to not read it. And I'm just letting you know now- you can debate all you want, you aren't changing my mind. I don't care if that means I'm going to a hell I don't believe in, I believe in women's right to choose.
DeleteAnd I know I'm not changing anyone else's mind, but I'm DONE acting like this is an issue that needs to be open for debate. Nope. I am all for abortion access on demand in any trimester without any explanation required. Abortion is a completely moral choice, just as raising the child or giving it up for adoption is. I support women no matter what choice they make because I think that's the right thing to do.
swegan: I respect your decision. I am not trying to make you change your mind. please don't read what I have to say as an attack on you, your principles, or anyone with whom you identify whose choices or opinions differ from mine.
ReplyDeletemy comment was unclear. I don't worship "life" in any way; what I meant was, the lives of both the mother and child are important (honestly, I don't think worship should come into it anywhere, at all). you say, "women will ALWAYS get abortions": that is true. I have never disagreed with that point. but can we make an effort to reduce the numbers? people will always steal from others, too, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything about it.
I know you have strong feelings about this and "have done the research", but there are so many programs that you're saying should exist that actually do. I have been involved -- and I know many, many people personally who are also involved -- in just the daycare centers/sex ed/skill-training classes that you would like to see. it IS happening!
and I also hear your point about shaming. that isn't helpful to anyone, anywhere, and NO, it should not happen. that is a completely valid point. I'm sorry there is such sharp, angry bitterness on both sides.
where we will always differ is in whose life and body is whose. I believe that there is a God who created us; that as his creatures, we are to obey his laws; and that he says life is precious and children a blessing. my body is not my own, it is God's, and I need to obey him with it. -- no, we don't have to produce as many children as possible!! but when the sperm meets the egg, I believe a life is created that deserves to live. and I know you disagree. and that's okay.
also, I know I don't have to read what you write. I find you fascinating, and just enjoy following your story! we believe differently, but what struck me when I first came across your blog was how incredibly alike we are and it's been neat to also get some opposing viewpoints and think through why I believe what I do and maybe change things. (thank you :)) I thought you would be open to a discussion, not even to either of us changing, but to a better glimpse of the other side -- I'm sorry if my comment was needlessly offensive. that truly wasn't my intention. (and sorry this is so terribly long!)
Thank you for being so nice in the face of me being angry and bitter.
DeleteSorry about that. This issue is incredibly close to my heart. I respect your right to make your decision about your life and your body, and I'm glad you respect mine (which does make you pro-choice, technically, btw! Since you support my right to make that choice for myself).
Being non-religious, I guess that is a different way to look at it.
Also, I'm guessing most of the information I get about abortion comes from American feminists who are dealing with issues in the southern states of extremely restrictive and unsafe abortion conditions.
All I know about the law in Canada is that there was a case a long time ago where they did take into account the rights of the woman, and thus decided that the law on abortion was going to remain where it is... which is nonexistent. (I'd like to change that to say that abortion is fully legal in Canada and always will be, but I'll take this as a consolation prize in the meantime).
Also, I think I might have been angry because my previous online debates about this have been incredibly mean (and sometimes hurtful). Perhaps it is through that that I have felt I need to sharpen my position. Thanks again for clarifying and for being so nice!
Your comment did kind of irk me, but I'm sure my post irked you. I won't take it down because I want to ward away other scary militant anti-choice types, but thanks for responding nicely anyway.